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Brian

There is NOT a Wal-Mart in DC. So whatever that quote is about it is misleading.

Benn

It's not misleading. That developer built a similar project in DC, regardless of who their tenants are. The quote speaks to the quality of developments this particular developer does.

That's pretty clear in the write up.

Thanks.

BaltimoreGal

I will do what i can immediately. I think a lot of people are only thinking about short-term convenience and not about long-term disaster. Every store in Hampden, Charles Village, etc. is threatened by this. We could lose all that makes us unique if we don't fight.

NotaHampdenHipster

Walmart is a welcome addition to this part of the city. It brings tax revenue, jobs and a convienent place to purchase basic necessities - all things the city desperately needs. Its a great vote of confidence for Baltimore that two major national retailers want to invest in our city.

If I were out of a job (like so many of our residents these days), I'd love the opportunity to work at either Walmart or Lowes.

NotaWalMartWhore

That comment is so messed up in so many ways...

So, I'm just gonna call "bullshit" on it.

Wal-Mart is NOT a welcome addition to this part of the city.

It doesn't bring tax revenue. In fact, it decreases tax revenue. And it creates strain on social programs and regional infrastructure that the taxpayer has to cover.

It doesn't create jobs. It kills better jobs already in existence.

And if you had even a fundamental understanding of how business works instead of using it to somehow validate your low self-esteem you'd realize that it's not about votes of confidence. It's about exploiting business opportunities. There's a reason this is happening in Remington and not Canton.

It's predatory.

And if you'd love the opportunity to work at a Wal-Mart, you're a fool. Unless you enjoy food stamps, no health coverage, having life insurance policies taken out on you by your employer and being told how to vote.

Your comments, "NotaHampdeHipster" (what the hell is that name even supposed to mean) are just completely asinine.

Or, perhaps, agenda laden.

Wal-Mart, like Lowes (and most big box retailers) is a predatory and destructive business whose presence will severely alter the face of North Baltimore - and not in a positive way.

LukeAckerman

There is someone circulating the blogs and news articles on this trying to frame anyone not thrilled with walmart as a neighbor as "anti-development" and "hipster". This looks like a hit job by corporate development PR goons. This kind of thing only happens on anonymous posts when a company has a big profit margin at stake. The profit margin has to come from somewhere. You put two and two together and guess where.

Alexander D. Mitchell IV

I will say here what I said in other blog comments:

Propose a viable alternative. Propose a development with private investment that would generate an equivalent number of jobs, income, and taxes (real estate, commercial, income, etc.).

Every other alternative development I have heard so far--swimming center, park, university campus, etc.--would also cost the city dearly in indirect subsidies, lost tax revenue, etc. And I don't exactly see anyone beating down the doors to bring dollars into the area.

You want stale bread, old milk, seedy saloons, take-outs with bullet-proof glass, and the like? Maintain the status quo and corner stores. The arabbers and sweatshops cranking out shirtwaists aren't coming back. Neither is the Sears Catalog or the general stores.

smitty

Commenters who keep pointing to the awesome tax revenues that WalMart will generate are missing an important point:

Here it is again: WalMart won't make the city money. It will COST the city money.

And NotAHampdenHipster sure sounds like someone who stands to gain from WalMart on 25th Street.

Rusty Chompers

Alexander - it's not our job to come up with viable proposals for the neighborhood, that is the job of the developers and urban planners. And so far, what they've proposed isn't acceptable to me or many of my neighbors.

Nice characterization of the area too. I guess you could point to The Dizz or Charm City Cakes or Book Row or the Ottobar or the Millers Ct. project or the whole Station North corridor or... well, you get the point. But interesting how you seem to think that the whole area is "seedy saloons" and "take-outs with bulletproof glass". That characterization is simply false - and can you cite studies that show a Wal-Mart would cause these places to be replaced with something you deem nicer? You can't.

Wal-Mart is a giant, parasitic, financial suck on the area.

So if developers want us to give them permission to use this land for something it's not zoned for (and for this to happen, that is what they need), they need to try again. It's really that simple. We don't need to come up with something better.

Your attempt to contextualize this as "it's this or nothing" is as mistaken as your belief that it's up to us to do the job of these developers.

But frankly, as a resident, I'd rather have nothing.

We can't afford Wal-Mart.

Hankenstein

another view could see this as an opportunity for local businesses to compete at a higher level. Even if the was a home depot or kmart on 25th street i would bet a lot of people would still go to a local hardware store like Faulkenhans because you don't have to walk 8 miles to find a hose washer and they are willing to lend you tools as long as you promise to return them. People don't go to one of the three comic book stores that are within one mile of each other in hampden because there is no Barnes and Noble nearby, they go because the business realize they have to offer a competitive reason to exist near each other and still manage to please the marketplace. To be clear, I don't support having a giant box store in my hood, but i would be worried if local businesses are so worried about having to be innovative and competitive in the marketplace, that they instead need to rely on protectionist government interaction that artificially alter the marketplace to accomodate one party's business model. At the end of the day, that's just monopoly rent behavior that ends up benefiting no one. I think there are enough unique and engaging enterprises here that have plenty of reasons to be competitive against giant distasteful national corporate megastores

Amboy Dukes

It's a fallacy to think any local business can compete against a giant, national corporate chain. That's not a competition - it's a death sentence.

And frankly, locally owned, independent businesses have been well-serving North Baltimore for years now. In fact, we have, what, 7 or 8 independent hardware stores alone?

Wal-Mart doesn't make local businesses better - it causes blight, a drain on infrastructure and strain on social programs and sucks money OUT of our community - unlike locally owned businesses which keep money (comparatively) in the local community.

Asking local government to respect existing zoning instead of changing it to cater to the interests of large corporations and developers is not "protectionist government interaction that artificially alter the marketplace to accomodate [sic] one party's business model."

It's simply saying we don't want to give large developers and giant corporate chains special treatment.

Interesting attempt to frame the discussion, though.

This development will be too destructive and expensive for North Baltimore. We simply can't afford it.

Hankenstein

Honestly, this whole thing smells fishy from the start and really reminds me of the whole rotunda routine. I think walmart may come to a similar conclusion, except that they will see this as being too destructive and expensive for their shareholders. Just like the idea of national restaurant chains coming to the new rotunda development, which is not seeming to get off the ground, I find it hard for this to make any financial sense for walmart or lowes. Their formula is usually county zoning+major highway+giant parking lot+sprawl housing+ cheap lease + uneducated population = best return on investment per location. The area of baltimore this developer is trying to develop meets very few of these requirements. Urban or semi-urban box stores are rare except in high profile cities where the location is more a badge of honor more than anything else. I suspect someone at lowes and walmart is going to get handed a feasibility study and realize that trying to do this in a sleepy part of an aging industrial city with traffic flow issues and two lane roads is not realistically profitable to the levels they are used to. The developer can pull a smoke and mirrors act to convince the box stores that they can exploit un-met demand in the community, but having strong local creative and competitive businesses that better serve the population gives the shareholders of walmart more reasons to just move on and wait for the next section of county farmland to be developed and open there. My bet is when the contracts need signing walmart can't afford to do this deal, because the local businesses are competitive and creative enough to fill the need themselves.

GMan

This will be an interesting battle to watch. The new Target at Mondawmin Mall has, as far as I've seen and witnessed, received nothing but praise in helping revitalize a mall that had seen better days. But that's just it, its located in a designated mall location with established parking, thruways, etc.

With the specs that have been shown, this Wal-Mart will appear to be a glorified grocery store. If built, it will have an audience, though not necessarily as vocal an audience as the ones who are against it. Still, the biggest concern continues to be the actual developer in question and the specs for traffic easements, frontages, etc. As others have pointed out, his D.C. development has plenty of issues.

Its good to fight these things, though in the end, Baltimore does need more retail/business/employment options for the established local majority community who doesn't frequent the Hampden shopping district or the North Avenue arts corridor. Walmart has a sketchy track record with this so if they don't make it whatever, no sweat here, but there has to be some give in terms of national retail investment.

Devin

I welcome Lowe's to Baltimore. These local hardware stores (Falkenhan's & Belle Hardware) are conveniently located but offer inconvenient prices, selection, and hours of operation. I've been renovating my office over the weekends and constantly making trips to Home Depot down Perring Pkwy because Falkenhans never has what I need and if they do it's overpriced. If you are familiar with Home Depot and Lowe's you would know that Lowe's has a much better selection on everything.

Roger

It sucks having to drive out to the burbs to get cheap stuff from the Walmart. Don't bullshit this comment thread saying you buy all your groceries at Eddies. I sort of feel bad for the residents of Remington who will have to deal with this mega-store in their backyard. But honestly, their backyard for the most part isnt much to look at. I am certain the majority of residents will be really excited for the Walmart/Lowes Development.

Rusty Chompers

Devin - does the year old Ace Hardware in Waverly also offer "inconvenient prices, selection and hours of operation"?

I find it hard to believe that with 8 hardware stores serving North Baltimore, you can't find one that's convenient.

Roger - you seem to be talking about grocery stores. Within a couple mile radius, there is a Safeway, a Giant, a SuperFresh, a Sav-A-Lot and a Whole Foods (discounting the 2 Eddies in the area that you seem to take issue with).

Northern Baltimore is not underserved by grocery stores, or even discount grocery stores.

Again, this Wal-Mart and Lowes is not necessary and as tax payers, we can't afford to subsidize their "low" prices.

Amboy Dukes

Actually - I count 2 Sav-A-Lots in the immediate vicinity.

Jim

Oh boy, Sav-a-lot food. Oh joy. Not great meat, Almost no fresh produce. Lots of frozen food from brand name giants that are known for cheap and not very nutrition filled food. Canned stuff filled with peservatives and corn syrup. Food that most people against the wal-mart wouldn't touch because they shop at Trader Joe's or Whole foods.

Sam W.

"Lots of frozen food from brand name giants that are known for cheap and not very nutrition filled food. Canned stuff filled with peservatives and corn syrup." also describes Wal-Mart groceries. So Jim doesn't actually have a point.

Or, if you prefer:
Food most people who are stupidly for the Wal-Mart wouldn't touch because they shop at Wegmans and Whole Foods.

Alice

All these people defending this development either have an "interest" in it getting developed or are suffering from Yuppie Guilt. It's pathetic.

RemingtonResident

I have lived in Remington for 7 years. I don't have an "interest", I am not stupid, and I don't suffer from Yuppie Guilt. I support the proposed Wal-mart and Lowe's in our neighborhood. While some of the characterizations of our neighborhood mentioned in the comments above may hurt, many of them still have a kernel of truth. Will Wal-mart and Lowe's solve all of the neighborhood's problems? No. Will Wal-mart destroy the moral fabric of society and suck Remington's residents into a murderous black hole? No. There's give and take in the pros and cons here obviously. It is my opinion that the neighborhood will ultimately benefit from these businesses and others moving in.

Susan

I live in Hampden and already shop at the Walmart in Port Covington. I would prefer they revamp and update that Walmart and buy the existing vacant property neighboring that location to open their Lowes.

The Port Covington store always has what I need and the location CAN be BEAUTIFUL. The problem is they build the store and then don't maintain their property around it. There's always trash in the parking lot. We obviously need more "blight" laws for store owners in the city.

I support Falkenhan's Hardware and when I'm in need of a "box" store for building supplies, there's a nice Home Depot in Parkville. I'm even willing to pay the premium price of the local hardware store just to support them.

I don't have a suggestion for the use of the property once Anderson evacuates it but, there's got to be a better solution.

john clarke

Since I am 78, in a wheelchair,trying to keep a roof over 3 DEPENDENTS heads with $16,000.00 SOSH,Academia pinch-penny retirement change, no car. being picked up by Mobility @ 7:00 am and returned at 6:00 ish to flesh out finances(thank God for MTA) I sort of was hoping for an all in one within wheelchair distance. If there is a hardware store within reach I know not of such. As it is, my wife has to walk long blocks down Howard to North Ave. for a few nails, blades or screws. If you want a fun time stop by and watch me navigating a rickety ladder for a needed run-of-the-mill repair. (Will furnish address to any "pure" Revolutionary Soul.)Was at Columbia in '68 and can parse fonied: Right or Left.
I take responsibility for a life well or badly spent just don't kick the ladder under my feet for puerile argumentation anent never wases or never will bees.

John Clarke Ph.D The Johns Hopkins University. Alphabetville Big Depression (2 out of 4 dead kids) Survivor 1933-1955

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